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GW – Taking the ****

Let me save you the trouble Philip J. Fry, in the case of GW I can almost certainly tell you they are trying to screw you over. Although I am enjoying the new Ogre models I have to say that as time goes by I am less and less enthusiastic about supporting this company! If my friends didn’t play I don’t think I would spent the little I currently do. While not the topic of today’s post I read this and thought id adequately sums up a lot of issues there are with the current incarnation of the Sherriff and his hordes.

Today I want to reference a specific example that sums up to me where GW are heading. If anyone has seen a preview of the new White Dwarf you may have a heads up to where I am going with this. For those of you in the dark about this whole thing let me illuminate you all with the “bend over, take it and like it” attitude we seem to be getting from our northern gaming overlords.

Coming to an overpriced toy store near you is Games Workshop’s new miniature field dressing kit. It’s a model first aid kit of sorts with tools for removing flash and filling small holes in your models…. Hold on a second….. something smells fishy here.

Let’s rewind a few months to the release of something I’m sure we have not forgotten, the QC busting disaster that was Finecast. Trolls and commentators world-wide decreed the end of GW as their new wonder material had more problems than a Greek financial statement. We can all remember the threads about the melting/bits missing/bubbles etc… and the fact a large number of models were returned as they were not fit for purpose. These events even had us commenting on this esteemed unit.

Now, several months later GW are SELLING a product that allows us to fix the problems in their product, passing the burden onto us, the consumer, to make the model fit for the purpose it was bought for. They are doing this under the umbrella that Finecast is a material for experienced modellers, similar to what they used to put on the boxes for the big metal kits a decade or more ago.

What annoys me here is not just that GW put out a new material that is supposed to be cheaper than metal and then they hike up the price, but more when they are shown the deficiencies of their product they don’t really bother to fix it. They come up with another product and pass the cost of this onto the consumer. What beggars belief as far as this author is concerned is that once again some people seem to be buying into this….

The fact you can go out and by a tube of Milliput for the price of a single Polo mint seems to escape people here, there are (shockingly) cheaper ways of doing exactly what GW are charging you a hip replacement for. For starters their product should be 99% free of defects, we are paying a premium here, but GW seem to have looked at the problem, gone *shrug* “looks like that’s going to be a bitch to fix, why don’t we just package and flog the kit to fix them and call it expert modelling” patted themselves on a job well done and now are sitting back expecting money to fall into their laps.

I’m sorry GW but the continuing contempt you show for your customer base is grating. I know you want the kiddies to grab all your overpriced tat but for any of us with an ounce of sense the company that made me fall in love with gaming is now starting to stink. Customers are not there to be taken advantage of, although some of them also seem to be convinced that the mighty GW can do no wrong….

Who wants my soapbox? I think I’m done.

“A Fool and His Money Are Soon Parted” – Sheriff Laughing All The Way to The Bank

OK, I think this is going to be my last rant about the recent shenanigans coming out of the Sheriff’s Lenton-based uber-palace. There has been a lot of reporting on the web about Finecost/Failcast/Finecash or whatever derogatory term you are using for the grey, bendy army men that GW are pushing onto their addicts right now.

My own personal opinion about this goes along the lines the of; “ARE YOU PEOPLE FREAKING MAD??!!?????”

This stems primarily from an odd behaviour that I am seeing more and more as I peruse forums and see people’s reactions to the material change. As I am sure our well-educated and astute readers are already aware, the release of Finecast hasn’t been without hiccup. We’ve all heard of the heat issues and the problems where stores have had batches of miscast blisters and yet what is startling to me is that outside of the really malformed stuff people are actually brushing this off as acceptable!

I was reading a post by a chap yesterday about a terminator model in Finecast, apparently after he had been painting it he noted that one of the legs on his model was actually cracked but “with a little greenstuff it was OK” and there are many more stories of people performing repairs to stuff to make them useable. I’m sorry, but maybe I am getting old or something but the stuff we get from GW is expensive, we all acknowledge that fact. Now, irrelevant of how we feel about the justification for the pricing, when you purchase goods, irrelevant of what those goods are, you enter into a contract with the manufacturer. You agree to remunerate them in order to gain possession of something and that something is therefore supposed to be fit for purpose and free from defects. It is the manufacturer’s responsibility to ensure their product is free from defects and to replace faulty goods. Wear and tear is natural and not a part of any replacement but in all other respects you are paying for something and expect a level of quality, especially when you are paying a lot of money for it, after-all generally the quality of something increases with its cost.

Games Workshop are the most expensive hobby company in the world, nothing else comes close really, so you should expect a top-notch product. My problem is, that if you are willing to accept sub-par product when you are paying through the nose for it then not only is the Sheriff not getting an accurate set of data about defects in their product but you are just going to end up accepting the inferior stuff they are now producing. Sure there were problems with metal casting, but I bet you took that back to the store rather than shave 1mm of offset casting and then resculpting details huh? If GW do not know their stuff is cack they are under no obligation to improve things.

For all you naysayers also harking on about “this is just the first run, it will get better” I say bull-hockey! I work in a manufacturing environment, we do R&D and rigourously test the processes involved with creating a product before it ever goes anywhere near a consumer. If it isn’t to specification modifications are made that do that, we pride ourselves on quality and will not ship sub-standard tat. GW should not be ironing out problems with the product after it has been released to market! A proper QA and R&D system should have removed the problems before a proper release. Now, of course some anomalies do slip through, such is the nature of things but the scale of people’s acceptance of things boggles my mind.

As the maxim at the start of this thread states; “a fool and his money are soon parted” and this is how I am feeling about Finecast. Sure the detail might be better and the models more durable, but when the consumer is willingly covering the manufacturer for their mistakes and inferior goods I am almost happy that you are willing to fork out massive wads of cash for this stuff. It’s really quite an odd scenario that in general people seem to show qualities of addicts, that despite how bad things are you need that hit of a new model so badly you are willing to put up with a lot that you shouldn’t have to else you might miss out on that endorphin rush!

Again, I’ll reiterate that I don’t own any Finecast models yet, with their cost I am not likely too but I would not rule it out. However, I’ll be damned if I am going to accept poor quality goods for more money than the, already over-priced, metals were. If other companies can produce goods in the same mediums and do better quality casting for lower prices, then I am much more likely to give my money to them. People decry GW for the constant price rises but their products seem to be like Crystal Meth to some people. No matter how much they want to break away their money flies out of their wallet month after month.

If you ever really want to make the Sheriff listen there is only one way it will work and you already know what that is.

As a wise man once said “It’s time to nut up, or shut up!”

Comment: Finecast and Stuff

The entire crew of the 6InchMove floating citadel have been following the latest news with varying degrees of avidness, from reading about it at work to all the way through to being on holiday and missing it altogether.

I thought I’d regale you lucky googlespiders with my own often irrelevant opinions on the latest happenings.

Firstly – Finecast is amazing! I’ve see a few finecast models that I own in metal, and the detail is phenomenal. My own personal hatred of metal models is well documented, and I am so happy to see the Sheriff turn his back on the shiny evil. Upon observation, finecast models have minimal tidying up to do, minimal flash, no rebending of often bent parts. Just the time saved on prep is very welcome. Then the fact that resin sticks together soooo easily again saves a whole bucket of extra work. The test really comes as to whether they can keep the quailty high over time. Hopefully complacency won’t slip in and a year down the road we are again back to paying high prices for something which is badly moulded, coated in flash and has loads of bubbles to fill in.

Cost wise – yes they are quite possibly the most expensive models you can buy. However, I don’t think the pricing is too bad compared to old GW metals which were often in my experience shockingly poor value given the moulding quality and work required to get them looking half decent. Compared to the resins made by other companies finecast is way off the scale in cost, but as I say, if the quality remains staggeringly good I would still buy them, mainly because I like the IP and games. A minor side note is that I don’t buy into the whole “resin is cheaper than metal” argument. Raw material costs seldom make up the bulk of costs in any advanced manufacturing process, with most costs being in wages to the operatives that make the product.

The whole business with GW no longer allowing export from the EU to our antipodean friends is a bit of a dumb move, as some entrepreneur will always find a way to circumvent these kind of restrictions in this day and age of international markets and shipping. So fear not, Jason and Kylie will still be rolling dice well into their old age.

The regular above inflation price rises imposed by the Sheriff however is probably not a great idea. It’s like clockwork nowadays. It’s getting to the stage where it would probably be cheaper to get into polo than 40k. I do think that GW are missing a bit of a trick here. Wargames are generally addictive, and wargamers themselves just can’t stop. I have a few faily large armies I have collected for GW games over the years, and with the costs being what they are now I will hunker down and stick with what I have. The only money GW are going to make out of me is when I buy the next Space Marine Codex and the next rulebook for 40k. Oh, and maybe some new Warhammer Fantasy books when it stops being so lame and becomes playable again. Compare that with a few years ago, where I would happily spend some cash on a 1000 point new army just to try something different for a few weeks.

But hey, what the Sheriff does is up to him. It would be a shame if it all came crashing down though.

Citadel Finecast – “Biggest Hobby Development in Years” or a Load of Old B******s?

Good morning to you all! Unless you are interred in some kind of “off the grid” correctional facility like Guantanamo Bay then you cannot failed to have noticed a lot of news coming out of Games Workshop’s Nottingham HQ. Much of this news has been met with derision and no small amount of outrage.

With such an upheaval there is little else we really can report on here in the 6 Inch Move floating citadel as this occupies our thoughts as much as the next avid gamer. Rumours have been circulating for a while now that the Sheriff was going to put an end to his metallic ways and embrace a resin future. This was then changed to be a repack of current blisters/boxsets and then last week we had the first real news about the Citadel Finecast program and what it would mean. Yesterday saw official news and some more details come out on the GW site.

Colour me unimpressed! Ok, I will admit that I have yet to see a Finecast model in the flesh so will have to reserve proper judgement until I see one but reading through that announcement posted on the main site yesterday was just an exercise in futility. Trying to cut through the marketing hype and excessive use of superlatives really was rather draining. Now I am not a GW detractor, I mean I really do enjoy my Dark Eldar and my Ogres and I’ve spent a lot of money with them over the years but I’m not sure I buy into what they’re selling.

Not only was I unimpressed with the marketing hype I am also trying to look at the motives for this change. This was not mentioned at all in the web article, other than GW are investing in their processes and development. The Internet has obviously been awash with tales of cost saving initiatives but there was a dearth of references to that in the release. I think it is very clever of their marketing department to not reference this as it gives some more legitimacy to their price rises. All they do is wax lyrical about the amazing detail of the new models and how they are closer to the original sculpts.

I’m not buying it, either figuratively or possibly even physically. I am sure the reasons that they have made this change are not purely commercially in the interests of the customer. Especially with a 20%+ increase in prices over the old metals I can’t imagine that this was done solely with us in mind. I really do hope that the detail is better and that the models are more durable. Anyone that has ever tried to assemble the Ogre Kingdoms Scraplauncher understands how annoying the assembly and endurance of metal models is. Somehow though I doubt the hype in the article that seems to intimate that you could play keepy-uppy with one of the new resin Avatars of Khaine (how long do we have to suffer that model not getting an upgrade despite 3 changes in the material it’s been made of?).

We have a number of competitors who still release stuff in metal at prices well below Games Workshop’s. OK, I’ll admit that for these games you need fewer models but that also gets you thinking that if another company that needs fewer models to play a game can afford lower individual unit prices then how come GW charge so much for their stuff when overall they’ll be selling stuff in higher volumes? Privateer are also starting to move their range to Resin and they have kept prices around the same as the old metal was and you get parts for multiple jacks in each kit and the full sizes of units in each pack too.

It will be interesting to see the quality of the new models, somehow I don’t think it is a blisteringly amazing as the heavily biased article suggests. I think GW are struggling in an increasingly competitive market and making their product even more expensive certainly isn’t doing anyone any favours. If Finecast means we start to see a reduction in the prices of stuff then I’ll be all for it, but we all know that a reduction in RRP is not the business model to which the Sheriff ascribes.

I’ll be happy to eat my words if the quality of these new models is really outstanding but I have heavy reservations, especially if any increase in quality is worth an extra fifth of the cost!