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Warhammer Fantasy 8th Bling Pimp Mr. T Edition


Kerrching!

The Sheriff keeps sending me emails to try and entice me into the gamer smack that is Warhammer Fantasy. By the sounds of it they’ve sold out of everything but this here sparkly bag of shiny goodness aimed squarely at either pimps or Mr. T. Not included is the floppy hat or cane, but carrying the bag might make you walk differently. Yo homie now you can GED wid dis muddafuggin game fool!

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Hands on With 8th – First Impressions


I took a half-day off work on Friday for various reasons and ended up at our local game store as I knew they’d have their store copy of the new 8th Edition Warhammer rulebook. The poll we are currently running has the majority of people in the category that they will not be picking up the new rules. I put myself in the more conservative stand point that I needed more information before making a decision. I am happy painting my War of the Ring force at the moment and things are progressing really well on that front right now, but Warhammer is a big game and there are many of the 6 Inch Movers who have armies for it, not least of which is my fledgling High Elf force that I was preparing for this very edition before Tolkien falcon punched his way into the fray.

So, after getting my hands on the actual book I thought I’d give my first impressions. Originally I have been in the “they are charging too much for this and some of the changes seem odd” camp, however, I know that sometimes the Internet rumour mill can be a little on the pessimistic side to say the least. Therefore I am willing to admit where I am wrong and give things a fair chance. Has anything changed now I have seen the book? Only slightly, I am more tempted to pre-order but that is more to do with the fact that our store is offering a number of deals for the new book, the one I am interested in is the 10% off the list price if you pre-order, so that’s the rulebook for £40, still a lot of money and I don’t think it is really worth that much. OK the book is bigger than previous incarnations but that is not necessarily a good thing. A larger book doesn’t always mean better rules or better explanation of rules. When I was looking over the Always Strikes First rules and it was talking about the re-rolls you can get I can direct quote that it says “re-roll failed misses.” Yeah, that may only be a few words lifted from the rulebook but as far as my English comprehension goes failed misses are a hit. I know we all are aware what the rule intends to do but once again the Sherrif has dropped a proverbial testicle and that was found with only a cursory glance through the rules. GW does have a rightly earned reputation for poor English and bad explanations in its products and it doesn’t look like 8th is going to be much different. If the inherent mistakes we have found in previous products are not removed how can they justify charging their customer base almost a third more money just for a rulebook?

The book itself really is huge, I think it’s slightly smaller than the current one in terms of its cover but it is a lot thicker, supporting it with one arm to flick through it could be an Olympic event, you can’t hold it for long before you have to sit down and rest it on a table, at least, not with my bandy arms. I think my laptop for work weighs less actually. The production value is high, I’ll give them credit for that but the rules pages seem to go on forever and then there is the obligatory hobby and background sections. If I’m honest I’d be more inclined to buy the book if they cut down on that side of things, OK you want to introduce people into the Warhammer world if this is their first foray into it but you could vastly reduce this considering the amount of background you get from the army books themselves. Provide some basic background and some models pictures so that people can decide what they want to play but the majority of the stuff in the book is unnecessary in my humble opinion. You could then reduce the size of the book and that would bring costs down too, although knowing the greedy old Sherrif he’d keep the price the same. A stand out example of how I like things is the War of the Ring book, sure it’s not the cheapest rulebook on the market but it has all the rules, all the army lists and some decent hobby information in there too. You don’t need to go out and buy any other rules you can just grab the models you want and play. I consider that a much better use of my income than a £45 rulebook a £17.50 army book and then having to buy the models. I cannot think of any other game that costs over £60 to play before you have bought a single model…

Warhammer 8th will sell a lot, their customers are pretty loyal, even after getting shafted repeatedly. I’ll admit that I knocked up a 3000pts list over the weekend as a kind of preparation. Not using my High Elves, I made some calculations on my Daemons, no Siren Song gifts, no BSB with Gifts as well as a magic banner and within the limitations placed upon army construction by 8th edition.

Personally I’m not sure about bringing back the percentages, I can see that people may want to move up to 3000pts as that gives a lot greater freedom with making choices for your army as well as being able to take a lot of the big critters. For my Daemons I doubt I’d ever take a Greater Daemon at 2000pts, you are limited to 25% maximum on Lords and all Greater Daemons are 450pts, leaving you able to upgrade a wizard level or take one or two Gifts, not ideal so I’d stick with Heralds.

If you want a run down of all the rules changes there are many forums out there with a full break down so I am not going to just repeat things here. I am thinking about a pre-order as I can get the book cheaper. £45 is a no-no for me but even with that minimal £5 reduction for some reason I find that easier to stomach, especially as I have seen it in the flesh. I know that Gribblin will be picking it up and I may do the same but I’ll have to speak to the others around here to see if we are going to keep Warhammer Fantasy on the play list when War of the Ring is already here and seems like a much better game.

Fantasy 8th Edition – Yes or No?


With the tabletop community alight with news and confirmations of the rules changes we will be seeing come 8th edition of Warhammer Fantasy things are certainly interesting. In the furore over the new rules there is also the various editions of the rules that are available for purchase. I am sure this is going to make a very profitable summer for GW. The Sherrif is relying on his customers jumping at the opportunity to grab the new rules despite the fact that this new book is 28% more expensive than the old one! I doubt there are 28% more rules.

GW has always been this way, reliant on its customers to continue paying its often exorbitant prices to stay in the hobby and for the most part we do just that. Generally you tend to find that people in this hobby aren’t exactly hard up and anyone that has been doing this for a while probably already has the majority of the models they need and only buy the odd thing here and there to increase their collection. Yet with the constant development cycle new models are released every few years as well as a new edition of the rules to ensure that we continue to expand and update our armies.

I have already made mention that when 5th edition of 40k was going through the same this we see now with Fantasy 8th I was really excited, we got Servitob on board with it and I really do think we ended up with a good game at the end of it. However, with Fantasy I am not so sure, it may just be the timing of it after this year’s price hike and the subsequent increase in the price of the rulebook. I don’t see any of the competition being anywhere near that expensive. What originally got me into Warmachine was a sub-£30 box that contained enough minis to fight with and contained a version of the rules. The rulebook was then less than £20 to buy and had all the rules for all the factions, an approach I really like, although I understand with the number of armies for Fantasy that it isn’t viable for GW to do it that way.

My words are not going to discourage people from picking it up, nor are they meant to, we all have our disposable income and choose to spend it how we will. I don’t have any right to tell you to go buy something or not, I can only offer an opinion. My opinion right now is that I am decidedly on the fence regarding this release. It may be the best rule set ever made but I do worry about a game that needs a rulebook bigger than some of the financial folders I can see on the shelves at work.

So Internet, answer me this, are you going to be rushing out and getting the new rules, or is the constant pressure the friendly Sherrif is putting on your wallet finally getting too much? Sounds like the ideal time for a poll to me;

Preview Warhammer 8th Edition – Prepare to sell a kidney…


In the time-honoured tradition of 6 Inch Move bringing you all the hot wargaming news much later than everyone else, I think it’s time that we reveal details of the Warhammer 8th edition release. Unless you are blind, deaf, mute and lacking any tactile sensations you can’t have escaped the fact that the new version of Warhammer is almost upon us. Internet forums have been literally awash with half-baked ideas about what Games Workshop are going to do with the rules and just how much it is going to end up as the ugly bastard offspring of 40k and War of the Ring.

While there are still no firm details about everything we will be seeing, there are certain areas we know a lot about as of today. The rulebook is an almost 600 page tome that could be used as an offensive weapon, picture the mental image of your average bandy-armed nerd clubbing someone round the head with a rulebook the same weight as an original Mini. For the privilege of owning this homage to the Encyclopaedia Britannica your friendly Sherrif wants you to part with forty-five of your finest Earth pounds. That’s without getting an army book or any models… I’ll leave it up to you to think if that’s fair against the competition.

For those of you feeling a little more affluent there is a collectors edition, a proper leather-bound book a good few inches thicker than the normal book and completely impractical to use for any gaming use or there is the Gamers edition, the rulebook accompanied by several over-priced templates and a knock-off of the Tesco bag I use to do my weekly shopping with. Both of these will set you back the princely sum of £75, again you’re not getting any figures for that price so if you don’t own any then you can’t even play the game for the rather large upfront cost.

Needless to say a lot of the stuff you get in the various editions will be sold separately, although after you’ve already sold a vital organ in order to purchase the rules who knows where you’ll have to stop to actually get into the game proper, especially with the Internet rumour mill spinning all kinds of tales that the new default army size will be 3000pts. I think it is frowned upon to re-mortgage your house or sell your firstborn in order to afford Warhammer…

ZombiePirate’s High Elves – Coming to an 8th Edition Table Near You (maybe)


If anyone actually read my post on Warhammer 8th edition and my ideas behind choosing an army to take to battle you can probably guess by the picture gracing the start of this post that I have made my decision. My High Elf book arrived last week and I sat down and had a read through, after spending a lot of time in the Vampire Counts while waiting for Maelstrom to get around to motivating themselves to send me my order, I was less certain that the Elves would win.

I literally pored over the lists and created two Vampires lists and only the one Elf list. On the face of it I thought the Elf list looked more versatile and fun to play but the Vampires are generally stronger, especially with the ability to bring back troops. I looked over the model ranges and was still rather indecisive about the whole affair… maybe I should look at Beastmen?

Yet, that was not to be, I woke up on Friday morning (looking forward to Salute on Saturday, I wanted to have a decision made before attending as that would guide some of my cash disposal efforts) and had my epiphany. Something that morning just clicked for the Elves, it felt right and I have learned to go with those feelings over the years.

So, there we have it, I am hoping to post up some pictures periodically to show progress. I’ve bought a few bits and pieces to keep me going but have come to the realisation that with 8th Edition out in July I have a little over 2 months to assemble and paint this lot. Luckily Elves aren’t known as a huge army and I am looking forward to the challenge. Watch this space for more info!

Warhammer 8th Edition – Choosing an Army


With the official announcement of what the Internet has known for months I thought I’d take a look at one of the core issues with wargaming and focus this upon Warhammer. Eighth edition will no doubt bring its own bucketful of changes that will cause the community to whine, moan and manifest their nerd-rage. Yet, for me, I am looking forward to the opportunity this affords.

As has been previously mentioned I resolved this year to get a full 2000pts of painted Warhammer on the table this year. As those of us in the big wide world of work can tell you, nothing focuses the mind like an arbitrary deadline. So with 8th edition appearing in July, looks like I have around three months to do this.. golly.

Has this pre-amble been building up to anything, yes it has. Just as I was saying in December that I had already started painting things have fallen by the wayside and I have lost interest in that particular project. My Daemons of Chaos while very proficient on the tabletop do not present a challenge to play, therefore I am looking at something else, something that suits my play-style and fits with my other criteria. As many other people may be considering getting into Warhammer for the first time or starting up another project I thought I share my own thinking around the process of selecting an army! One of the hardest parts of getting into this hobby I feel.

While I am tailoring this to Warhammer, as I did with my 40k army building posts, you can apply this to any game really and I certainly find picking a force a hard thing to do at the best of times so if I can help anybody, so much the better.

The process you use to pick an army can vary, I know the criteria that I use to pick something is vastly different to the way some of the others in our group work, therefore this will be from my point of view, hopefully the other contributors can then add in their own thoughts in the comments section.

First off let’s list out our options, knowing what is on the table is as good a place to start as any, in no particular order Warhammer has the following armies;

  • Bretonnia
  • Beastmen
  • Daemons of Chaos
  • Dwarfs
  • Dark Elves
  • Empire
  • High Elves
  • Lizardmen
  • Orcs & Goblins
  • Ogre Kingdoms
  • Skaven
  • Tomb Kings
  • Vampire Counts
  • Warriors of Chaos
  • Wood Elves

That’s a long list but shows all the fifteen armies there is to choose from. The first and most obvious way of discounting a large number of these options is to look at what appeals to you, now this is a thing in and of itself, firstly, let’s look at the model range, what armies have models that I like. Let’s copy the list again and mark out ones that I am not a fan of looking at the overall models;

  • Bretonnia
  • Beastmen
  • Daemons of Chaos
  • Dwarfs
  • Dark Elves
  • Empire
  • High Elves
  • Lizardmen
  • Ogre Kingdoms
  • Orcs and Goblins
  • Skaven
  • Tomb Kings
  • Vampire Counts
  • Warriors of Chaos
  • Wood Elves

There’s six armies that are already down, a third of the available options removed in one fell swoop. Next option, do I want a horde style force or a smaller elite army? A couple of the armies up there fit into the middle ground of these two (Empire, Vampires and Lizardmen depending on list construction). Let’s do the exercise again;

  • Daemons of Chaos
  • Dark Elves
  • Empire
  • High Elves
  • Lizardmen
  • Skaven
  • Vampire Counts
  • Warriors of Chaos
  • Wood Elves

That’s another three gone. Considering how slow I am at painting, large hordes of stuff probably aren’t good for me, especially if I am looking at having something ready for 8th edition release. I have another couple of options for what I can do next, I can either look at how I play and what I like or go for the whole army aesthetic, sure I have already said that I like the “looks” of these armies, but I do a much harder look later at the individual units in the range, what do I want to field and how do they look, I will discount an entire army if there are a few units I don’t like the look of. This kind of hardcore approach helps narrow down what I am looking at. Obviously with this being a force I want to paint and get done I want things to look right, the art side of things is as important for me as how the army plays.

However, for the next stage I know that I like magic, it’s fun for me and I do a lot better with magic armies, so let’s apply this new criteria to our list;

  • Daemons of Chaos
  • Dark Elves
  • High Elves
  • Vampire Counts
  • Warriors of Chaos
  • Wood Elves

Ok, we’re in a little more trouble here, I know you could class the Wood Elves as magical but really, the Lore of Athel Loren is a bit rubbish and you’re not really going to be taking an army where magic is featured highly in that army. This is possibly an extra stage of selection for me because I know the game some. So, looking purely at the arty side of things like I have mentioned I want to apply that now as really you can interchange this with your own ideas but I am giving an example of how I do things.

  • Daemons of Chaos
  • Dark Elves
  • High Elves
  • Vampire Counts
  • Warriors of Chaos

Now we are talking, I do not like the basic warrior models that you use to make Crossbowmen and Spearmen for the Dark Elves. The Warriors range though I do like, however there is some stuff you’d need to make yourself (the War Shrine for example) as there is no model for it. Stuff like this counts against an army for me and we also have another player in our group with Warriors. I could have at the start jumped on and discounted armies that are already in use by others in our group, however, if you have a large play group then chances are you are going to be doubling up, also I would never purposefully discount an army that appeals to you because someone else has it. After all, you are going to be stuck with this army and hopefully get it painted and on the tabletop, motivation is a big thing and if you pick your “second choice” you may well find you lose the inspiration to paint it and get bored. Not a good place to be considering the investment required for Warhammer.

I’ve already mentioned at the top of this post that I have Daemons and will not be finishing them, they are easy to play and you can play really badly and still win in some cases, this isn’t how I roll so we can give those the chop too. This leaves us in the position I currently find myself in, with two armies to pick from. Our winners so far are;

Vampire Counts and High Elves

There we have it, from applying play-style and artistic considerations I have narrowed things down to two options. So, what will I pick for my army? In the current climate Vampires are considered one of the top three armies and High Elves are not, so I could swing that way based on tournament power… however, I don’t play tournaments. High Elves have less models than a normal Vampire Counts army and can’t increase their units from summoning or magic so therefore would be faster to paint. Even after narrowing things down I have still got two options and just to annoy everyone I am not going to post my final decision here, because, in all honesty, I haven’t made it yet.

I have the army books for both of these forces, I will be working out lists for both and depending on which one I like the look and feel of the most, well, that will be the one I pick. Anyone out there in Internet land doesn’t need to follow the steps I have here, but certainly picking your first army for a game, or even just a new one, presents a hazard and can be problematic for the best of us. Hopefully going through things where today will provide at least some food for thought but really the best advice that can be given is to grab something you like the look of. If it tickles your fancy then go for it, you’ll find greater motivation to paint and play with it in the long run.

Warhammer 8th Edition – Coming in July


After much Internet rumour GW have finally announced what we all knew was coming. Warhammer 8th edition. What we do get is an actual release date and that is July this year. Further details of the replacement for the Skull Pass set are yet to reach us but for those of you who do not get the GW newsletter, here is what they had to say;

The Warhammer world is a place riven by relentless warfare and the corrupting power of dark magic. It’s a place where vile creatures and titanic monsters roam the lands, where vast armies of evil warriors unleash slaughter upon their victims and only the unceasing valour of the forces of Order prevent the whole world slipping away into chaos and death.

Amidst this tapestry of conflict and carnage are races fair and foul, warriors chivalrous and brutal. These are the combatants who fight for dominance of the world. From the blasted north come warmongering tribes of Chaos Warriors, armour-clad barbarians who have thrown their lot in with the Dark Gods of Chaos. In the Badlands gather the greenskinned marauders known as the Orcs and Goblins, vicious, brutal creatures whose insatiable lust for war grows almost as quickly as their vast numbers. Beneath the cities of the civilised realms nestle the repulsive ratmen, subhuman creatures whose machinations spread disease and distrust – these are the Skaven and they wish only to destroy and dominate all others. Even the forests of the Old World are not safe, for the trees themselves are things of malign presence and the Beastmen dwell within, the children of Chaos – braying beasts who crave slaughter and the chance to enact their savagery on the civilised races.

The Warhammer world is a place where you must bury your dead deeply, for Necromancers and Vampires raise the legions of undeath in their war against the living. Far away in the south the legendary kings of a long-dead kingdom now awaken, leaving their vast tomb cities to wage war upon all under the sun, their skeletal legions a chilling parody of their once glittering majesty.

All these examples of horror are enough to cause weaker hearts to quail, but there are those who resist the darkness, kingdoms and realms that fight for survival. The Empire, greatest of all the nations of Men musters regiments of brave soldiers. Armed with faith in Sigmar, their warrior god, and with tempered steel and black powder weapons they defend their lands. South and east of the Empire lies Bretonnia, a land of chivalry and noble tradition. There, bold knights harken the call of their mighty king and ride out to crusade against the monsters of the Old World. Dwarfs, in their mountain strongholds, are as unyielding as the stone around them as they battle above and below the ground. Loyal allies, but terrible enemies, the Dwarfs are brave-hearted and steadfast as they protect their once-great realm.

In far-off lands the Elves fight out their bitter blood feud against one another – a mighty civilisation that spanned the continents but is now riven with strife and betrayal. Perhaps the greatest warriors in all the world, their numbers are now few and too many of those that remain are lost each day in the unending war between Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world, be it damnation or salvation, will soon be decided.

Warhammer, the Game of Fantasy Battles will be released in July. The preparation for this date has been a time of great excitement here in the Studio as we have lavished detail, care and attention onto the rulebook and the fantastic Citadel miniatures range that it accompanies.

Now is the time to gather your regiments, paint your armies and prepare for a battle like never before. If you have a Warhammer army, dust it off and finish up those last few models. If you’ve always been tempted to collect a force there really has never been a better time to start! Warhammer is coming and it’s going to be great.